Yup. But I'd better shut up and focus on my spelling.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Menon 
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:29:25 
To: Dr.M.C. Gupta
Cc: Nukkad
Subject: Re: [nukkad] Fwd: Stop a nuclear disaster

Hasn;t he just contradicted his original mail?????
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Dr.M.C. Gupta  wrote:
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> Since Braham is a serious writer, I need to respond to him in all
> seriousness.
>
> Ref:
> Guptaji claims that a BJP rule would never have allowed this to happen.
>
>>> This is not true. Please don't put words in my mouth.
>
> **
>
> Guptaji then uses my comment to take off at a tangent without properly
> acknowledging or refuting Mean.
>
>>> ONE, I disagree I take off tangentially. I strictly adhere to written
> words.
>
> TWO, it is for me to decide if a statement is logical, intelligent and worth
> acknowledging / responding / refuting. If my decision is in the negative, I
> would not acknowledge / respond / refute.
>
> ***
>
>  I think any such piece of disingenuous or specious slight of hand should
> always be caught and hauled up going forward.
>
>>> I think you meant sleight, not slight. Assuming that you meant sleight,
> it is rather an oxymoron: a disingenuous sleight. In any case, people differ
> in their ingenuousness score and I don't claim a high one. In fact, it is
> disingenuous to expect ingenuousness in senile  idiotic rats. An idiot has
> an IQ way below 160, maybe one fifth of that. Those who are ingenuous should
> have better things to do than catch and haul up idiots. In any case, it is
> their own sweet choice.
>
> ***
>
> Otherwise there will be no honest or stimulating debate on Nukkad.
>
>>> The concern is touching!
>
> ***
>
> There is nothing wrong in admitting to an error.
>
>>> 100% right.
>
>
> MCG
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>
> On 14 March 2010 07:55,  wrote:
>
>> You see, this is where it gets confusing to this Sardar who really took his
>> logic classes seriously in school.
>>
>> Guptaji claims that a BJP rule would never have allowed this to happen.
>>
>> Mean disabuses him from the benefits of a khaki chaddi by reminding him
>> that BJP was in power during similar situation of letting Americans get away
>> with murder i.e Bhopal Gas tradegy.
>>
>> Guptaji then uses my comment to take off at a tangent without properly
>> acknowledging or refuting Mean. I think any such piece of disingenuous or
>> specious slight of hand should always be caught and hauled up going forward.
>>
>> Otherwise there will be no honest or stimulating debate on Nukkad. There is
>> nothing wrong in admitting to an error.
>>
>> B
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ravi Menon
>> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:46:29
>> To:
>> Cc: Mean Drake; Nukkad List
>> Subject: Re: [nukkad] Fwd: Stop a nuclear disaster
>>
>> While the ostrich hides its head in the sand i can see some other
>> creatures achieving the anatomical impossibility of hiding their heads
>> in their own posterior.
>> After giving him proof of how the BJP is as guilty he goes on about
>> tiannamen WMD etc i wonder if he has a TV set down there that replays
>> all this anti western propaganda
>>
>>  maybe that's where the term comes from Propa"gand"a Wow do I get a
>> prize?????
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:12 PM,   wrote:
>> > Of course Mean. I once more bow down before impeccable logic.
>> > ------Original Message------
>> > From: Mean Drake
>> > To: Nukkad List
>> > Subject: Re: [nukkad] Fwd: Stop a nuclear disaster
>> > Sent: Mar 14, 2010 6:22 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sunday, March 14, 2010, 12:42:19 PM, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> China--Tiananmen
>> >
>> >> USA--Citizens taken for a ride around the nonexistent stockpile of WMD
>> at
>> >> the cost to public of trillions of dollars.
>> >
>> >> Bangla Desh--5 million citizens exterminated in as many years with the
>> >> government instigating or watching or turning a blind eye.
>> >
>> >> Pakistan--A sizable chunk of population decimated / made to disappear
>> with
>> >> the government instigating or watching or turning a blind eye. Bodies of
>> its
>> >> own citizens disowned by the government.
>> >
>> >> Afghanistan--Protection money demanded from its citizens with the
>> government
>> >> instigating or watching or turning a blind eye or being helpless.
>> >
>> > Hey Come one Braham. Don't you see what the GOI did was perfectly fine
>> > for our citizens as long as others have done worse.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> >  Mean
>> >
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Hello Ravi,

When   someone   who   doesn't  know  swimming  is  drowning one can't
make out which way is sun and which way the ocean floor.
This casualty was in an ocean of words.

Sunday, March 14, 2010, 11:29:25 PM, you wrote:

> Hasn;t he just contradicted his original mail?????


-- 
Best regards,
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Most of these 33% women will have their husbands, sons, fathers, brothers
doing the real ruling ( read huge corruption ) from background, the female
front being used for providing the shroud. Typical Haramzada Hindu
mentality.

To a bhikhari Hindu corruption is welcome from any quarter, this time from
a novel way, from woman's  sari's palloo.

140 to go.

Rohit Zaveri
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Reservation is not the answer to low representation of women or any other
class of people. 60 years of reservation for SC ST should have taught us
that. Benefits of reservation is cornered by a small percentage of creamy
layer within those castes. Vast majority of the people for whose benefits
Reservation system was ostensibly made still rot in poverty and
exploitation. Same thing happens with every reservation.

If reservation could empower women, the Panchayati Raj legislation should
have achieved that. At the grassroots level women were given 33%
reservation. Men continue to dominate Panchayats. And remember that
Panchayats decide matters that are literally close to the village and its
people and yet a few women members did not make much difference to women's
empowerment.

If 100% of political parties were committed to women's empowerment, we would
not have been discussing this after 60 years of Republic. What is sought to
be achieved by the Constitutional amendment can be achieved if all Political
Parties willingly give half the seats to women candidates. There are less
than 10% women MLAs/ MPs because political parties give only that much seats
to women. If all Parties give 50% of seats to women, there would be at least
40% representation of women in all legislatures.

As a comedy program recently suggested, this should make leaders of all
political parties happy as they could easily get tickets for their wife /
daughters to contest. More easy to make politics a family business.

Venu

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*The role of ISM / Alternative systems of medicine in healthcare.*

* *

*QUESTION—If  **the **National Council / governing body to be constituted in
terms of the proposed Clinical Establishments (Registration and Regulation)
Bill, 2010, is going to include representatives from **Ayurvedic,
Homeopathic, **Unani, Sidha, Nursing and Paramedical streams, why not also
include the **Bhoot Jharnewala, tantriks, jyotishies, pandits, yoga experts,
, and those who sell Rudraksh etc.? These are the people who are responsible
for keeping the science in India backward.

*

*ANSWER--*

1-- Bhoot Jharnewala, tantriks, jyotishies, pandits, yoga experts, , and
those who sell Rudraksh etc. do not have professional councils established
by law and are not a part of the country's healthcare system. Persons
qualified in Ayurvedic, Homeopathic, Unani, Sidha, Nursing and Paramedical
streams,* *are registered with professional councils established under law.
They are part of the national healthcare system, just as chiropractics
osteopaths and podiatrists are part of the healthcare system in USA, in
addition to the MDs. Their bills are regularly paid by the insurance
companies in USA.

2--If you seriously think that other systems of medicine are keeping India
backward, you might consider getting a resolution against these systems
passed by your local IMA branch, to be forwarded to the state and national
IMA. An alternative route would be filing a writ petition in the high court
against wastage of public money on something which obstructs the progress of
science in India.

3--BTW, before you take any of the above two routes, I humbly suggest that
you may read up about  principles of public health; principles of
healthcare; legal aspects of healthcare and health/medical education; WHO
recommendations about alternative systems of medicine; and, the healthcare
system of various countries.




-- M C Gupta

MD (Medicine), LL.M.

Ex-Professor

Practicing advocate

mcgupta44@gmail.com

15 March 2010



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MD (Medicine), MPH, LL.M.,
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Isnt this post out of place here?


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Dr.M.C. Gupta  wrote:
>
> [This message contained attachments that have been removed.]
>
>
> *The role of ISM / Alternative systems of medicine in healthcare.*
>
> * *
>
> *QUESTION—If  **the **National Council / governing body to be constituted in
> terms of the proposed Clinical Establishments (Registration and Regulation)
> Bill, 2010, is going to include representatives from **Ayurvedic,
> Homeopathic, **Unani, Sidha, Nursing and Paramedical streams, why not also
> include the **Bhoot Jharnewala, tantriks, jyotishies, pandits, yoga experts,
> , and those who sell Rudraksh etc.? These are the people who are responsible
> for keeping the science in India backward.
>
> *
>
> *ANSWER--*
>
> 1-- Bhoot Jharnewala, tantriks, jyotishies, pandits, yoga experts, , and
> those who sell Rudraksh etc. do not have professional councils established
> by law and are not a part of the country's healthcare system. Persons
> qualified in Ayurvedic, Homeopathic, Unani, Sidha, Nursing and Paramedical
> streams,* *are registered with professional councils established under law.
> They are part of the national healthcare system, just as chiropractics
> osteopaths and podiatrists are part of the healthcare system in USA, in
> addition to the MDs. Their bills are regularly paid by the insurance
> companies in USA.
>
> 2--If you seriously think that other systems of medicine are keeping India
> backward, you might consider getting a resolution against these systems
> passed by your local IMA branch, to be forwarded to the state and national
> IMA. An alternative route would be filing a writ petition in the high court
> against wastage of public money on something which obstructs the progress of
> science in India.
>
> 3--BTW, before you take any of the above two routes, I humbly suggest that
> you may read up about  principles of public health; principles of
> healthcare; legal aspects of healthcare and health/medical education; WHO
> recommendations about alternative systems of medicine; and, the healthcare
> system of various countries.
>
>
>
>
> -- M C Gupta
>
> MD (Medicine), LL.M.
>
> Ex-Professor
>
> Practicing advocate
>
> mcgupta44@gmail.com
>
> 15 March 2010
>
>
>
> * *
>
>
> --
> (Ex)Prof. M C Gupta
> MD (Medicine), MPH, LL.M.,
> Advocate & Medico-legal Consultant
> www.writing.com/authors/mcgupta44
>
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