RE: [nukkad] Love

[Milind Sathe <>]

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Ok Guys,

	Its time for some smart-ass comments from me.. It has been a long
time. And this is one of my favourite subject. 
	 
First one : 
: There CAN be love in total surrender. A person can be in love so much that
ALL he or she wants to do is to serve Krishna. That is not very difficult to
understand.
[milind] Here is an example of a typical male chauvinist. There can be love
in total surrender. If we are talking about love from total surrender to a
GOD, then that's another story. That is difficult to understand too for a
non-believer like me. If this comment is made with this reference, I have no
comments. But if we are talking about love between two ho sapiens, total
surrender and love has nothing to do with each other. Tomorrow you will say
Germany may have fallen in love with US and other Europian countries at the
end of the WW-2 to surrender unconditionally. Hmmmm that's a thought..
[milind]
Second one : 

		What you are mentioning about kissing Krishna on His blue
lips is not love. 
		You are talking about lust, the perverted love that you see
in this mundane 
		material world. Love for Krishna is not mundane nor is it
material It is 
		most sublime and on the spitritual platform. Since this
world is temporary 
		or asat, everything you see here is a perverted reflection
of the spiritual 
		world. Like a tree's reflection that you see in the water.
You cannot grab 
		the tree in the water but you can do so to the real tree (or
sat), whose 
		reflection it is. 
		[milind] OK.. lets give it a thought. Everything you see
here is a perverted reflection of the spiritual world. This is a 'Circular
Circle'. A sadhu wakes up in the morning and remembers a dream. He was a
butterfly in the dream. He felt just like a butterfly. Going from
flower-to-flower. Having fun. Now he is awake and confused. He cants say if
he is the sadhu who dreamt of being a butterfly or he is really a butterfly
dreaming about being a sadhu right now. Now lets ponder over this : "Like a
tree's reflection that you see in the water. You cannot grab the tree in the
water but you can do so to the real tree (or sat), whose reflection it is. "
What is real and what is reflection. Would someone please tell me. This goes
way beyond my meager resources of rationality. [milind]

Third one :

		Similarly the pure spiritual love exhibited in the 
		piritual world is reflected in this temporary world. The
attraction that one 
		feels for a father, mother. sibling, spouse, a boy's
attraction for a girl 
		and vice versa are ALL examples of LUST, not LOVE. This lust
cannot be 
		termed as love. I think you are dabbling in something you
know NOTHING 
		about.
		[milind] Here you will see how one playes around with the
words to create a logic instead of working with the logic to come to a view
point. The respected nd of ours says "The attraction that one feels for a
father, mother. sibling, spouse, a boy's attraction for a girl 
		and vice versa are ALL examples of LUST, not LOVE.". And
interesting question "My dear friend. Lets assume for a minute that I assume
your ridiculous statements on its face value. Now, please define what is
'lust'. That is what is lust as we the earthly people know it. "What do you
say I am feeling when I see a beautiful girl and am having unpure thoughts
about her??" What do I call it?? 'Lust' no. no. that's not lust "Lust is the
love I feel towards my mom, my father and Lo Behold my wife.." Help Help...
I am loosing my mind [milind]

Fourth one :

		If you really want to know about the spirituual bliss that
comes with loving 
		Krishna, please read Srila Prabhupada's books. If you do not
know who Srila 
		Prabhupada is, he is the founder Acharya of the
International Society for 
		Krishna Conciousness (ISKCON).
[milind] No intention of showing disrespect for Srila Prabhupada or her
books. Just a word of caution now that I am educated by our learned friend.
"Please Please if you read Srila Prabhupada's books, don't believe a word of
what she has written. It is only a reflection. After all, the material comes
from her speaches/discources, the book is printed on paper by ink, all of
which including the cognition of her speaches are effects of this earthly
world and are therefore only reflections not pure. [milind]
The Finale :

		And just think about it. Why would you want to love someone
who is mortal 
		and is going to die? Why not love someone who is immortal?
That way, you 
		know that the object of your love, the Primeval Lord Krishna
will always be 
		there for you, though you MAY die yourself.
[milind] Why do you want to love someone who is mortal. BECAUSE you are
mortal. And because you can see your parents you can talk with them, you can
share life's beautiful moments with them, and not with Lord Krishna although
I am sure you disagree with me. And to start with if nobody loves the
mortals, the humanity will live for only one generation. Oopppsss. I am
talking about reproduction through sex and actually suggesting that this
hideous act comes out of love. Sorry guys, please forgive me. Reproduction
is just for the continuation of life, love has got nothing to do with it.
[milind]
		Again, I entreat you. Do NOT make comments about something
you know 
		absolutely NOTHING about. Read up on Srila Prabhupada's
books, Chant the 
		holy name, love Krishna and you will enjoy such
transcendental bliss that 
		you will NEVER again blaspheme Krishna by comparing the
devotees love for 
		Him with mundane material worldly LUST.
[milind Yes, Homi, How dare you.. How dare you talk about Krishna without
reading Srila Prabhupada's books. How dare you..[milind]

We troubled earthly people,
God save us.. oopss Bharat and his beloved Srila Prabhupada save us.

Amen



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