RE: Appeasement

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Dear Nukkies
             So the plot thickens. Here are my responses.


[Mubashir]
>Are we not being forced to read praises of Saraswati (which is for a Muslim 
>is nothing >more then an idol)?

Well I’m not fully with you. Which are these verses? Are these unique to 
Maharashtra alone (I assume you did your schooling in Maharashtra. Please 
correct me if wrong.) I did my schooling in Kerala but don’t remember any 
verses, which praise Saraswati. The only thing that we sang as a group is 
the school anthem, which praises father of knowledge without any reference 
to any religious deity. The song was composed by a famous Malayalam poet.


>Are we not being forced to hail the mother land as God which is anathema to 
>a monotheist

I differ with regards to that interpretation. The education system urges an 
individual to equate your homeland to your mother not as God. So what?  This 
is not a practice unique to India. Everywhere round the world it is the 
same. Be it US UK, New Zealand, Australia anywhere. Anyone wishing to be a 
citizen of a nation is required to swear an oath of allegiance. If any 
objections are raised citing prohibition based on religious beliefs the most 
certain outcome will be rejection of your application. My dear friend 
religion should only be a guiding path to spiritual purity in life. It 
shouldn’t dictate or mould your way of life and character.  Moreover 
religious scriptures are more akin to reference books. We should use our 
ability  of reasoning to absorb whatever is most apt and practical in our 
day-to-day life. If one were to follow the practices as recommended by these 
Holy books be it Bible, Quran, Gita or Granths, we will end up with a world 
comprising of highly inhuman practices like Sati, child marriage, honor 
killings, stoning of wronged women, and the list is endless (I’m no expert 
in this field. So kindly bear in case there are omissions. All I’m trying is 
to prove the point that a human being shouldn’t be totally led by religion, 
it should only be a guide).  Ours is a plural and secular democracy where 
legislature leads our destiny and judiciary   settles disputes not religious 
heads. Why not leave it as it is.

>A party whose once President Murli Manohar Joshi is trying to propmote an 
>utter irrational concept of Astrology,who is trying to rewrite history 
>books, trying to remove all the mentions of Muslim contribution to 
>India,trying to brainwash our kids through the medium of education.

I cannot categorically state anything about the former aspect but the latter 
one is very much true and is a disturbing trend. Whatever happened in the 
past whether the deeds were done by Alexander, Aladdin Khilji, Tuglaq, 
Mughals or the British is nothing but history.  Nothing is gained by raking 
it up. Any attempt to rewrite history will be end up with drastic 
consequences.  Every secular minded individual should fight against this 
practice in order to prevent building a generation built upon hatred and 
intolerance.


>These people who are crying against missionaries will surely end up sending 
>their own kids to missionary runs school

This reminds me of communists that I came across who are sworn atheists but 
end up conducting their ward’s marriage in churches and temples.

[Ashwin]
>If you think we have the will and courage to destroy Holy places as u have 
>said,  then >you people are the most 'courageous' and have maximum 'will' 
>power

Lets please stop addressing "you" and "me". There is only "we"

>practically the whole of North Indian temples were razed to the ground  -- 
>millions not thousands were massacared and raped by the Islamic invaders in 
>India

And will shouting about it bring back those temples to its original state. 
Why target fellow countrymen to bear the cross for atrocities done by 
medieval barbarians.

>National falg contains green as well as saffron

Well if saffron stands for Hindus and green for Muslims, then I should admit 
that it is news to me. I remember learning in school that white stand for 
peace and green stands for propsperity (forgot the saffron bit). Isn’t the 
latter a better way to interpret our national flag than the former?

>That doesn't mean action should not be taken against them, if they indulge 
>in anti-nationalist activities

Definitely action should be taken against those who indulge in ant national 
activities. But does the matter end there. Will a couple of arrests remedy 
the whole problem? Don’t we have a responsibility to address the core issue 
as to why these youths are turning against the nation?

>Conversion of religion by force or money is correct or wrong?

I’m a Christian. But certainly I don’t support conversion with the aid of 
money and coercion. A true missionary do selfless service without expecting 
anything in reply like Mother Theresa.


>Killing people in the name of religion is right or wrong?

Certainly wrong. But wait, both Hindus as well as Muslims are guilty on this 
account. Isn’t it?

>How many time u have heared that muslim or christian people were force 
>fully >converted to hindu?

Kindly go to the URL 
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/100801/dtLNAT01.asp .
Now tell me, is this right or wrong?

What do u think should be done about POK?

What I’m stating is my personal opinion based on practical reality not 
ethics or morals. Convert LOC into a permanent border. Whatever is presently 
POK, leave it to Pakistan. Jammu & Kashmir should belong to India. Just like 
East Punjab and West Punjab, West Bengal and Bangladesh, let West Kashmir 
belong to Pakistan and East Kashmir belong to India. Enough is enough. 
Instead of pumping crores of rupees and sacrificing our able bodied men let 
us build better roads, communication facilities and improve our 
infrastructure.

[MC Gupta]
>Three, resurgence of bjp in its new avtar from the ashes of Jan Sangh was 
>largely a reaction to the appeasement policy of the congress from 1947 to 
>1977 in favour of the so called religious minorities which included pro-pak 
>and pro-khalistan groups

Agreed that there is some truth in this. But isn’t it a knee jerk reaction? 
In what way is BJP better that Congress? Did the BJP tenure eliminate or 
even weaken the so-called pro Pak elements in the country?

>I would like to comment on the word Hindutva. I do not know what is wrong 
>with it and why it is being maligned. Hindutva is Hinduism

There is nothing wrong in Hindutva, provided if practiced in the true sense. 
I came to know more about Ramayana and Mahabharat from my grandmother. I’m a 
Christian not a Hindu. I rate those epics very high. I have more Hindu 
friends than Christians. But one should not forget that there are some 
elements in the society who try to impose their narrow and primitive vision 
of Hinduism on others. Like rewriting history textbooks, glorifying Sati and 
child marriage, denigrate women etc. It is these very people who earn a bad 
name for Hindutva. Kindly tell me what have the so-called Hindutva parties 
done to enhance Hinduism. How many of these politicians know Hindu teaching 
and principles properly.  Dear Guptaji, it is not the average non-Hindu who 
is harming the cause of Hinduism. It is these unruly elements hell bent on 
destroying communal amity for their narrow gains that tarnish the image of 
Hinduism.



[Rohit Zaveri]
>I will be too happy to learn of one Indian muslim who says he did not take 
>up a job assignment in Saudi Arabia, simply because that country does not 
>entertain Hindus compatriots. Number of my christain friends have shown 
>disgust at such a practice

Hello Rohit. Nice to hear from you after a long time. I’m happy that there 
is at least one person who view Christians as mainstream Indians and not 
brand and isolate them on the basis of the acts of some evangelists.

[Akshay]
Your posting seems to me as an exercise to score points. Do we really need 
this? Isn’t it time to forget the past and look for a better tomorrow? Isn’t 
it time we identify the real culprits i.e. politicians who divide people 
along communal and caste lines? Isn’t it better to take someone belonging to 
a religious minority (oops here I’m uttering that word) into confidence 
rather than isolating him so that he can be an ambassador for the community?


Just my humble opinion.



Bye


Netgeek
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