Re: [nukkad] Hindu-Muslim perspectives

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Mahesh chandra gupta wrote:
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> 1. I could also say, anyone who does not believe in Ram is a kafir.

When hindu dharma has no concept of Kafir, what is the point in bringing
the idea. Tomorrow, muslims will justify their calling hindus kafir
because hindus start calling muslims kafir.

Hindu dharma allows everybody to stand by his/ her belief system.
PERIOD.

And that is what differentiates muslims' concepts of Kafiri from hindu's
open concepts.

Azim wrote:
> ## Kafir is not a Bad word its a category like the belivers in Islam who belive that there is one God with no shape and size and Face and Mohammed as his messanger Are called Muslims the Non-Belivers are called Kafir , If you  belive that there is one God and Mohammed is his messanger You are not Kafir, but If not you are Kafir! 

Azim! You forgot to mention that it is implicit in this terminology that
Kafirs must be converted to Islam or be eliminated.

Mahesh chandra gupta wrote:
> 2. Please do not tell us that Bhagat Singh was waging jihad. I pity such statement. Bhagat Singh did what he did out of patriotism, not out of an allegiance to religion.

I also take strong objection to Azim's calling Bhagat Singh by such ugly
term. As MCG have correctly pointed out, jihaad is basically to force
Islam among Kafirs, by converting or eliminating them.

Azim wrote:
> ## Jihad :- In Quran God has given Instrution if Somebody supresses you then for your defence and Survival you can Declare a Jihad (revolution)Against them.

Azim against forgot to specify "somebody suppresses you" FROM DOING
WHAT. The correct complete statement would be "somebody suppresses you
spreading your religion among non-believers".

Azim wrote:
> But that does not give the Man to kill innocent or Gives a right to Muslims to Kill non-Muslims.

What does Quran say about non-believer? Should he be allowed to practise
his faith, or should he be forced to covert or to be eleiminated?

Azim wrote:
> A Muslim can Also Rage a Jihad(revolution) against another Muslim if he has a threat to his life from that person.

That is so often happening in Pakistan.

Indian Independence struggle was not a jihaad. It was for much more
simple and basic values like freedom, self-respect. Bhagat Singh was
fighting for the freedom of a united India in which Pakistan and
Bangladesh were not separate. He was fighting for the freedoms of
hindus, muslims, sikhs, isaaees and every indian having any belief.

Azim wrote:
> But if they give it the name revolution Then What will you do?

By changing the term, you are removing the essence of it, the religious
connotation. Consult your local maulavi and he will enlighten you why
revolution is different from Jihaad.

Azim wrote:
> ban the use of Word Revolution in india?

No one advocated the ban on the word Jihaad.

Azim wrote:
> The next Time if someone Does a terrorist activities he will call it a revolution Rather then Jihad or he will say that he is fighting against ADHARAM What will you do then.

When someone fights against ADHARMA, a ramayana or mahabharata gets
written. Hindu concept of DHARMA was not to propagate hinduism but to
eliminate the persons who were practising wrong philosophy that
undermined basic human values. The dharma spoken about in the scriptures
has nothing to do with hinduism, these have to do with the fundamental
principles applicable to entire humanity whatever their beliefs are.

Neither Christ, nor wahe guru, nor mahavir, not gautam did anything to
propogate a religion. They only expressed a social way of day-to-day
living which later become religion. Islam is different. It got written
in a mighty book since the very beginning that religion is to expanded
through jihaad to cover entire humanity and those not abiding by, the
kafirs, should be done away with.

> So better than banning word its better to stop the reason for which The word is been used!

Azim is bent on giving acceptable definitions to loaded muslim concepts.
Though his intentions are good, it appears that it is primary to help
himself to speak in favour of these ugly concept in a convenient
manner.  It will be better if first collects the views among his own
family and relatives about what they think the definitions are.

When Indians fight in Kargill, nobody (not even muslims) termed it
Jihaad. Only Osama and Saddaam term their fights as Jihaad.

-Rawat


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