Re: [nukkad] Hindu-Muslim perspectives

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Azim wrote:
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> No i Dont belive in forcefully converting anyone to Islam or converting anyone to any religion.

I never said or doubted what you believe. I only mentioned the two
definitions what your community believes about them. They believe that
Kafirs are to be eliminated, and Jehaad is for the Islaam.

As an individual, you need to understand what your community believes.
Wherever your views differ from the views held by your community, you
need to mention your views but specify that your community does not
support you your views.

In quite some mails, you have expressed views which are basically your
own (and I concede that they are honest and right), but you need to find
out what your community thinks about them and mention that also.

>  But forcefully converting to Islam or any religion Maybe a Trend these days i accept it as a bitter truth and regret it.

It is another honest and right expression of views, but again this is
your individual opinion. Muslims, as a community, are quite satisfied if
they convert people forcefully by threat or fear.

> But i am Not in Favour of it. And Its also a fact that Many Have not converted on Force but some have also Converted to Islam by thier heart also.

That is a personal view, and I don't see the need of countering it. I
don't have the proof to otherwise and you can't have data to support
your opinion. Then let's leave it here.

If anyone has seen the ten commandments, he would know that Moses got
his following only by raining attrocities on Egypt, thus, people went to
submit to his god only because of fear. Jesus did not geenrate any fear
among one. He coolly healed everyone who came to Him. Similarly,
hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism had never never never showered
atttrocities on the people to make them convert faith.

Read about Aurangzeb. You might be surprised to find that attocities
were committed on people who follow different faiths. There was a tax
named JAZIA that was levied on persons who followed different faith.

> ##Dear Rawat I have Wrote a whole mail in relation to this on the list

I am replying separately to that mail. In summary, you are playing with
words in your good intentions, but you do not represent your community
in that.

> ##Look Quran State Show The Non-belivers The Path of islam . And give them a Chance to Choose The right path. But it does not gives The right To any Muslim to forcefully convert Them(non-belivers) to islam. Its The non-belivers choice To accept Islam Or continue with his current Faith.

Again, the above view is very humane, but somehow lost on your
community. Ask five maulavis nearest to the place you live and you
wonder whether you are a single muslim who interprets it like above. 

> Again Quran States Clearly "You Have To Show Them the path its them Who have to Decide Which is Wrong Which is right". Again I told You First Only Forcing Someone To Convert TO Change his Religion is Like Rape. He Might Convert Under Pressure But He will not Accept it with his heart Thus its no use of doing so for any religion.

But once he converts, the oppressor muslims are satisfied. It is a fact
that Muslims never gave any respect to converted hindusm, and never
considered one with them. They were called Mujahirs in Pakistan and were
the first to face any attoricity.

> ## Jihad Means Struggle Unfortunately its been MisUnderstood or wrongly interpreted by many as a Holy War Against Non Muslims. Which i have cleared in My previous email and i will be writting to u a personal clarification for this.

I understood what you explained. But I again say that your views are not
upheld by your community. And MCG, myself and others are writing about
what a common muslim understand of Islam, which is quite different from
what you write.

> Look I want the Concept to be banned but no use of banning the word. The demand of V.H.P

The demand of V.H.P is bullshit and hardly any hindu will bother about
supporting that demand. I think I am speaking for my community here.

> It never states that Force anyone to convert islam.

See the history of India Since the looting of Somnath temple till Mughal
rules. Appears that all those gazhnavis and Aurangzebs had a different
interpretation of the book.

> i have to regretfulyy accept that Such a forcefull converstion is A very recent practice Which is happening.

Recent?
When did gazhnavi come to India? Aurangzeb was about 350 years ago.

> But at The Times of prophet No body was forcefully converted as per my knowledge.

Surprisingly, I agree with your statement. The prophets really do not
preach or practise wrong things. It is the future torchbearers who
malign the basic teachings of prophets. Jesus did not do any wrong. But
is was his followers who, as late as 1600 AD, went on denying scientific
facts and punishing proponents of these facts.

> But yaar its stupidity to ban Words.

I agree that it is stupidity.

> Did not we Term it as a Struggle. Jihad Means struggle.

:)
Back to square one. Ask 10 muslims what they take the meaning of these
words and come back.

love.
-Rawat



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