Re: [nukkad] composite

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 What we need is either less corruption, or more chance to 
participate in it.
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Myjo wrote:
> SEBI to curb n curtail the white collared crimes (financial frauds) in NSE n BSE by Gujrati-Marawadi Stock Broker (Dalal) Community.

How can one specify only these two communities? is it your
modification to his mandate?

> Arya ref. suicide thread:
> > i would have wanted a rough and tumble of opinions and conjecture and argument and noise, which in turn would have made sure people knew much as would help them help someone.

Anna Morawska wrote:
> Knowing is one thing. Using the knowledge in actions and making them efficient is another.
> So it is never sure you will succeed in helping, even if your knowledge is deep and wide.

A knowledge which is not being applied indicates lack of
knowledge in some other area, that is the learned one's duty and
drives for implementation. He should acquire this knowledge also.

For that matter, I had joined IndiaWin list in which there is a
lot of desire to improve India. They ferociously discuss what is
the condition and how government and other agencies should change
it.

I posted a mail 10 days ago that to celebrate this independence
day, willing members might wish to make a resolution about what
would they personally start doing to improve India.

I did get exactly one reply in which the member made his
resolution.

I guess you are speaking of similar condition when people discuss
ad infitum ad nauseum, telling what everybody else should do, but
are not doing anything themselves other than discussing.

> > COMMUNICATION IN SUICIDE

> > this is not how much you talk or to what depth. It is just that you are ALWAYS available to the person contemplating suicide.

> Even if you are available the problem is whether they want to access. In most cases they don't. How to make them do?

I guess that in the list given previously, Anna correctly wrote
that "Communication" with the attempter is the best method.
Someone said "Therapy", but that is also a communication but by a
learned/ experienced person.

There are people who will not open up in front of a known person
but will open up with a doctor. There are people who will open up
with a known person but will not open up with a stranger.

What Anna is asking that they accept or not depends on how much
you are reaching to them. The crux of communication is empathic
listening in which the feelings of the speakers are understood
and reflected in his/ own words. That gives a deep satisfaction
to the speaker and he opens up further. Learn this, Practise this
and everybody will open up. The therapists are doing exactly that
but anyone can learn and do it.

> > THE SUICIDE AGGRAVATOR FACTOR

> > if you are committed to helping someone, scan the horizon for the Suicide Aggravator Factor.
> 
> Shortly speaking:  life. When life begins to ache, like an injured limb or head, it becomes the Suicide Aggravator Factor.
> And like in healing injuries the medicine [here: communication] may or may not work.

If communication is not working, then it is not properly done.
Empathic listening always work in such and all other situations.

> It depends on the degree of the injured one's determination.

I Would differ. It depends on the injured one's ability to find
solution with or without help.

> I once tried to treat my friend this way and I failed [have spoken of it a few days back].

Introspect about your communication with him/ her and find out
where you went wrong. I do not know but I guess that the person
might have felt that you are not understanding his/ her situation
or state of mind, and you are giving your suggestion from your
situation. Thus he closed himself.

Developing belongingness and trust opens a person.

> Even though, I still think communication is the remedy of biggest potentiality of all.

It is. Not just "biggest", but the "only".

Those who wish to learn more about EMPATHIC LISTENING might wish
to read "7 HABITS OF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE PEOPLE" by Late Mr STEPHEN
R COVEY. There is an entire chapter explaining various types of
listening/ speaking, including EMPATHIC one.

For that matter, a cheat or thug also employs this method to open
us the person to dupe.

drtaher wrote:
> Dhaai means 2 and a 1/2.

other hindi words are
chauthaee: 1/4
aadha: 1/2
paun: 3/4
savaa: 1-1/4
derh: 1-1/2

In some cases, the above are used most. Like
at 1:30 hours, "derh baj gayaa" is used more than "ek tees" ho
gaya.

-Rawat


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