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Krishna and Mahabharata : Historical reality

By Desh (Aug. 31, 2009)

Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician from UK is making a movie on
Krishna as a historic figure. Pandit has based his movie on dates and
timelines coming out of scientific based research by credible evidence based
on Archeology, Astronomy and Linguistics, apart from Oral evidence from
Indian tradition.

Mahabharat War started on *November 22, 3067 BC*. This comes out of
astronomical evidence. And the astronomical juxtapositions are not arbitrary
or those that could happen in any decade or such... but some of them have
not happened since. They are THAT rare a phenomenon.

*Saturn at Rohini* and *Mars at Jyestha* with two eclipses - *a Lunar
eclipse at Kartik* and *Solar eclipse at Jyesth*. (these are from Udyoga and
Bhisma Parvan).

(1)Amavasya occurs in Jyestha in 19 years
(2) (1) PLUS Solar Eclipse in Jyesth occurs in 340 years.
(3) (2) PLUS Saturn at Rohini occurs ONCE in 7000 years.

So, that constellation in astronomy has NOT occured since Mahabharat. The
date - exact one - when that would have happened is Nov 22, 3067 BC.

*Update:* i found an article which is very well written, which I am afraid
may go away from that site. I have reproduced it at the bottom.

Not only that, but the latter events like destructiion of Dwarka (based on
the astronomical events mentioned around that) occur at EXACTLY as the text
says - 36 years later.

Pandit has based his research on work of Dr Narhari Achar (a professor of
physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US). According to
Achar, Krishna was born in*3112 BC.*

However, another person has used dates and astronomical events to zero in on
the dates of that time, Arun K Bansal. According to him, *Krishna was born
on July 21, 3228 BC* and*died at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 BC*. That is when
Kali Yug is supposed to have started and Dwapar Yug came to an end.

So, Bansal's dates are a few decades prior to Achar's dates.

However, there are more people who side with Dr. Achar (refer to the article
reproduced below).

Here are a few dates that can be identified with respect to the dates by Dr.
Achar:

§  Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for Hastinapur on 26th
September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism Revati.

§  Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when the
moon was at the asterism Bharani.

§  The full moon and lunar eclipse at Krittika occurred on 29th September,
3067 B.C.

§  The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.

§  Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.

§  The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.

§  Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.

§  The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.

§  Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.

§  The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C.

*Mahabharat dates and Historical Events*

Interestingly, the decades when Dwapar Yug is supposed to have ended and
Kali Yug supposed to have started as per these dates.. were also the years
of some MAJOR climatic shift on earth - due most probably to major shifts in
Solar Activity! Some of the MAJOR things that happened:

§  Sahara region changed from a habitable land to a barren desert!

§  Glaciers Expanded covering plants.

§  Atmospheric temperatures fell drastically.

This was also the time, when Harrapan Civilization or Sindhu-Saraswati
Civilization is supposed to have began.

Some people believe that Mahabharat was a Nuclear War. Why? Because of some
explanations that defy contemporary knowledge of weapons that people of THAT
time could conceivably have created. Weapons with such impact could not have
been conjured up just out of nowhere.. REPEATEDLY.. in various parts of the
text. See below for one such description of its effects. It is not
surprising that even in the modern world, Robert Oppenheimer, Nuclear
Scientist jumped up after seeing the Atomic blast and cited a similar verse
from Gita (part of Mahabharat).

Now, if you see the extreme climactic changes - creation of desert out of
habitable land in Sahara and drastic fall in atmospheric temperature as if
Solar Activity had changed - it may not be entirely unlikely, that those
climatic shifts may have mimicked a Nuclear Winter.

Mahabharat is a fantastic epic and one which would have required MORE than
just imagination to write. No writer has ever written something so
completely OUT of whack with his times, mores and thinking... as a
Mahabharat within the context of History as taught in our school texts
suggests. It seems so fantastic that even the idea seems absurd!

That alone - the imagination of a writer 5000 years ago to write something
that (if linera historical progress is taken to be true) ONLY people of
today could have seen/heard/experienced/imagined! Its not just wishful
imagination - as parting of seas et al - but very exact descriptions of
things that happen today and could happen tomorrow.

The philosophy of Gita is hitherto unparalleled in the spiritual realm. No
Saint, prophet, Master, or mystic has covered so many topologies -
Knowledge, Devotion, Action, - with so much mastery.

What I am trying to say is that you cannot get something out of nowhere. You
can only conjure up stuff that is there in your immediate consciousness.
Fantasies and miracles in knowledge dont make sense to me!

*An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
as bright as ten thousand suns,
rose with all its splendour.*

*It was an unknown weapon,
an iron thunderbolt,
a gigantic messenger of death,
which reduced to ashes
the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.*

*The corpses were so burned
as to be unrecognizable.*

*Hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.*

*…After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected…
…to escape from this fire
the soldiers threw themselves in streams
to wash themselves and their equipment.”*

*Reference Links:*

1. *'Lord Krishna existed. School texts are
wrong'*<http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/aug/29/slide-show-1-lord-krishna-existed.htm>
2. *Krishna (b. July 21, 3228
BC)*<http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?225095>
3. *33rd century BC* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_century_BC>
4. *Pre-historic Nuclear War and ancient Flying Aircraft
uncovered*<http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/02065.html>

*Historicity of Mahabharat*

In January 2001, Indian History Congress was holding its Annual Conference
at the Alipur Campus of the University of Calcutta and at the concluding
session of the said Conference the Nobel Laureate economist Dr. Amartya Sen,
while addressing the delegates, said that Ramayana and Mahabharata do not
have any historical value. These two epics are simply mythology and nothing
but poets’ fancy. He also said that neither Rama nor Krishna was a
historical personality and both of them were simply mythical.

Gandhiji wrote two commentaries on Shrimadbhagavadgita, Anasaktiyoga and
Gitabodha, and in the introduction of the former work, he wrote, “Generally
Mahabharata is taken to be a historical work. But in my opinion, it is not
so. I cannot say that Ramayana and Mahabharata are historical works. They
are simply religious works. If you are still inclined to treat them as
historical works, then I should say that they are nothing but the history of
the Self (Atma). They do not contain what happened thousands of years ago.
On the contrary, they are the reflections of what is happening today in
every soul”. About Lord Krishna, he wrote, ”Krishna of Gita is the
embodiment of pure and divine knowledge, but without having any physical
existence. By this the Avatar Krishna is not denied at all, but only it is
said that He is mythical”.

It is not difficult to understand that all such utterances of Sen, Gandhi
and many other like minded Indians derive inspiration from the Western
interpretation of Indian history. Most of the Western scholars firmly
believe that our ancestors grossly neglected writing history and what we
claim to be our history is nothing but mythology. So M. Winternitz in his
History of Indian Literature writes, “History is one weak spot in Indian
literature. It is, in fact, non-existent. The total lack of historical sense
is so characteristic that the whole course of Sanskrit literature is
darkened by the defect”. The renowned German scholar Max Muller, in his
History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature, writes, “No wonder that a nation
like India cared so little for history”. “With regard to history, the Hindus
have done really nothing but romances from which some truth may occasionally
be extracted”, says another Western scholar Major Wilford. These scholars
refuse to accept Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas as historical works
as there are no mention of year and dates of the events described therein.

But people of this country firmly believe that Ramayana, Mahabharata and the
Puranas are their history and not simply epics or poets’ fancy. So Dr. S.
Kalyanaraman, the director of the Chennai based Saraswati River Research
Centre, says that the historicity of the events described in Ramayana and
Mahabharata is validated by two evidences: one is based on tradition and the
other is based on jyotisha, or planetary configurations and other celestial
events narrated along with mundane events described in those epics, which
may be called sky epigraphs.

So far tradition is concerned, people of this nation believe that Lord Rama
was born on the day of Ramanavami and Lord Krishna was born on the day of
Janmastami and so on. In fact, there is a long list of such traditional
beliefs such as: Bhishma died on the Bhishmastami day, on the day of Vijaya
Dashami, Lord Rama celebrated the day, with His army, as the day of victory
after killing Ravana and defeating his army just on the previous day, on the
day of Deepavali, Lord Rama returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile and
the people of Ayodhya celebrated the day and decorated their houses by
lighting lamps and the tradition is still being continued; the War of
Kurukshetra began on the day of Gita Jayanti and so on and so forth.

It is really strange that the people of Western Garhwal, now in the state of
Uttaranchal, observe every year the Duryodhana Festival. There also exists a
temple dedicated to Duryodhana where people offer their puja and many
believe that the city of Varanavat, where Duryodhana tried to burn the
Pandavas alive, was situated in that locality. It is also really striking
that people of this country offer water in memory of Bhishma during shraddha
ceremony. The point to be highlighted here is that, had all these been
poets’ fancy and mythical, the traditions could not have been continued for
such a long time.

The aspect of celestial epigraph, or planetary positions described in these
epics, particularly in Mahabharata, undoubtedly shows that the said epics do
mention the dates of events described therein, which the Western scholars
failed miserably to understand. In Mahabharata alone there are 150 instances
where worldly events are mentioned along with the planetary positions in the
sky. And, in addition to that, other astronomical events such as occurrence
of an eclipse, or appearance of a comet, or rare events like shower of
meteorites have been mentioned. A few of such examples may be mentioned
below

The Udyoga Parva of Mahabharata narrates that, just before the War, Lord
Krishna, in His final peace mission, went to Hastinapur in the month of
Kartika. He set out on the day when moon was at the asterism Revati. On His
way to Hastinapur, Krishna took rest for a day at a place called
Brikasthala, and on that day the moon was at the asterism Bharani. The day
on which Duryodhana turned down each and every effort of Lord Krishna to
make peace and made the war inevitable, the moon was resting at the asterism
Pushya. And the Lord left Hastinapura with Karna, on the day when the moon
was yet to reach the asterism Uttara Phalguni. As mentioned above, Karna
accompanied Him to some distance to see Him off and he then described to the
Lord the positions of planets in the sky and expressed his apprehension that
such a planetary configuration stood for very bad omen: such as large scale
loss of life and drenching of blood. Vyasadeva narrated all these planetary
positions in as many as sixteen verses as if someone was describing it after
visualizing them in the sky. It is also well known that during the War, Lord
Balarama went on a pilgrimage to holy places along the banks of the River
Saraswati and Mahabharata describes the position of the moon during the
entire course of pilgrimage. For example, He set out on the day when the
moon was at the asterism Pushya and returned on the day when the moon was at
the asterism Shravana.

The Mahabharata also mentions the occurrence of a solar eclipse at the
asterism Jyestha and a lunar eclipse at the asterism Krittika, just before
the beginning of the War. It also mentions the appearance of a comet at the
asterism Pushya, on the 8th day of the bright half of the month of Magha,
when Bhishma died. On that day the moon was at the asterism Rohini and it
was the day of Winter Solstice. The day on which Ghatotkacha, son of Bhima,
died, the moon appeared at the horizon at 2.00 a.m. The epic also mentions
the occurrence of a very rare astronomical event that took place prior to
the War: three eclipses, two lunar and a solar, within a lunar month of 27
days.

There is also another continuing tradition in this country that says that
the beginning of the present Kali Yuga, Kurukshetra War, death of Lord
Krishna and coronation of Emperor Yudhishthira were contemporary events.
Famous astronomer Aryabhatta in his celebrated work Aryabhatiyam had
accepted the said tradition and used the word “Bharatapurvam” in the said
work very often and scholars agree that he used the word to refer to such
events that occurred before the Mahabharata War. In 1991, Dr. D. Abhayankar
and Dr. Ballabh of the Osmania University calculated that the present Kali
Yuga began on 7th February, 3104 B.C. But it is now well accepted by the
both Eastern and the Western scholars that the present Kali Yuga began on
the midnight of 17th and 18th February, 3102 B.C. And hence it can roughly
be said that the Mahabharata War took place nearly 5000 years ago from now.

Today, man has created a machine called computer which, though most idiotic,
can do mathematical calculations at an incredible speed. According to a
popular ad of a computer company, the calculations which Johannes Kepler
took ten years to complete, can be done today within minutes, using a
computer. It has therefore been possible for the scientists, with the help
of this fantastic machine, to determine the dates of ancient events with
unthinkable accuracy, using the planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata , as inputs. They have developed so many software for this
purpose and to name a few are: (1) Planetarium, (2) Ecliptic, (3) Lode star
and the(4) Panchang Software.

In 2003, a two day seminar was held on 5th and 6th January, in Bangalore, on
“The Date of Mahabharata War: Based on Astronomical Data Using Planetarium
Software”, and a few of the eminent researchers who submitted papers were
(1) Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA; (2) Dr. B. N. Narahari Achar,
Department of Physics, Memphis University, USA; (3) Dr. R. N. Iyengar,
Department of Civil Engineering, IISc, Bangalore; (4) Dr. S. Kalyanaraman,
Saraswati River Research Centre, Chennai and so on. These scientists agree
that there does not exist any contradiction between any two descriptions of
planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata.

Dr. S. Balakrishna has studied the eclipses, both solar and lunar, described
in the Mahabharata and tried to find out the dates of those eclipses using
the Lode Star Software. Generally 240 solar and 150 lunar eclipses occur in
a century and during the period from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C. nearly 6000 solar
and 4000 lunar eclipses took place, though not all of them were visible from
India, or to be more precise, fromKurukshetra. Out of them, 672 were eclipse
pairs, or both solar and lunar eclipses within a lunar month. Dr.
Balakrishna studied the eclipses those have been mentioned in the text of
Mahabharata. In fact, there are mentions of solar eclipses at 8 places in
Mahabharata, out of which three of them are very important. Firstly, the
solar eclipse that is mentioned in the Sabha Parva. The second solar eclipse
which is mentioned in the Udyoga Parva to which Karna tried to draw the
attention of Lord Krishna when He was returning from Hastinapur. The third
important solar eclipse has been mentioned in the Shalya Parva, that
occurred along with two lunar eclipses within a month. Many believe that
there was a total solar eclipse occurred on the 13th day of the War, which
has been allegorically mentioned as covering the sun by Lord Krishna with is
HHis Sudarshan Chakra.

The epic Mahabharata has so many other aspects which common people do not
know. Firstly, the epic as we see it today containing 100,000 verses was not
the creation of Vedavyasa. He composed what was then known as the Jai,
containing only 8,800 verses. Later on Rishi Vaishampayana enlarged it to
contain 24,000 verses which was then known as the Bharata. Finally Sauti,
the son of the suta (the chariot driver) Lomaharshana, gave it present form
as we see now, containing 100,000 verses.

It has been mentioned earlier that just prior to the Mahabharata War, a very
rare event of three eclipses occurring within a lunar month took place: a
lunar eclipse followed by a solar one and then another lunar eclipse.
According to the text of Mahabharata, the solar eclipse occurred just 13
days after the first lunar eclipse. Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA, has
searched all eclipse pairs, a lunar eclipse followed by a solar eclipse
after 13 days, that took place from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C., using the
Lodestar pro-software. He found that nearly 672 eclipse pairs have occurred
within the said period, out of which 27 pairs have been found to have less
than 14 days time gap. And according to Dr. Balakrishna, the eclipse pair of
2559 is the best match with the description given in the text of
Mahabharata. But according to Dr. Kalyanaraman, the eclipses occurred in
3067 B.C.- the lunar eclipse on 29th September at the asterism Krittika and
the solar eclipse on 14th October at the asterism Jyestha.

Researcher Dr. P. V. Holay examined 6 planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata and concluded that the War began on 13th November, 3143 B.C. But
Dr. K. S. Raghavan and his coworker Dr. G. S. Sampath Iyengar, using the
Planetarium software came to the conclusion that the Kurukshetra War began
on 22nd day of November, 3067 B.C. (according to the present Gregorian
calendar). Professor Dr. Narahari Achar of the University of Memphis, USA,
also arrived at the same conclusion using the said Planetarium software. Dr.
S. Kalyanaraman of the Saraswati River Research Centre, Chennai, found the
estimates of Dr. K. S. Raghavan and Dr. Narahari Achar correct and, on that
basis, calculated the dates of some other important events of Mahabharata.
For example: Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for
Hastinapur on 26th September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism
Revati. Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when
the moon was at the asterism Bharani. The full moon and lunar eclipse at
Krittika occurred on 29th September, 3067 B.C.

The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.

Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.

The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.

Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.

The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.

Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.

The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C.

Finally, it should be mentioned that the said seminar officially accepted
that the Mahabharata War began, as mentioned above, on 22nd November, 3067
B.C. So it appears that the Mahabharata War took place, not in Dwapara Yuga
but, in the 35th year of the present Kali Yuga. It is not unlikely because
according to the text of Mahabharata, the War took place at the juncture of
Dwapara and Kali Yuga.

Last year, (2005 A.D.), astrologer Arun Kumar Bansal, using computer
software, calculated date of birth of Lord Krishna and it was 21st July,
3228 B.C. So it appears that during the Mahabharata War, age of Lord Krishna
was 161 years. At the first sight, it may appear to be absurd. But it should
be mentioned here that, according to Hindu scriptures, the normal life span
of human beings is 400 years in Krita (or Satya), 300 years in Treta, 200
years in Dwapara and 100 years in Kali Yuga. In fact, during the Kurukshetra
War, most of the military top brass of both Kauravas and Pandavas were more
than 100 years old.

To conclude, it should be mentioned here that the discovery of the ruins of
the city of Dwaraka by the renowned archaeologist Dr. S. R. Rao, under the
Arabian Sea, provides another strong evidence that Lord Krishna and the
story of Mahabharata were a reality and not simply poet’s fancy.

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