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---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity; in peace, goodwill." - Winston Churchill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. This immediately reminds me of Kashmir. There was a distinct and definite Goan culture with specific Portugese imprint. I was there in 1966 when on army posting, and have been there 2-3 times more on 10-15 year intervals. The change is huge. But nobody is lamenting. Not even the goans. To a large extent, it has been because of people from other places going there for business or work or for getting settled there. ============================================================================ ============== I agree. The christians of Goa are slowly but certainlt opening out. They are no more confined to the jobs of barmen, secretaries, band musicians, cooks and into tourist industry. These days they have diversified into various professions, something they learned from their Hindu compatriots in 50 years which they could not from their Portugese masters in 500 years. I reckon, as of today, there is no Goan christian woman who is a chartered accountant. Some feedback on this will be appreciated. ============================================================================ ============= 2. I hear so much about kasmiriyat. The government also, at least to be politically correct, sings the same tune: preserving kashmiriyat. What is this entity? Is it a sacred cow, not to be discused or dissected, but always to be revered like a demigod. Are the kashmiris a breed apart? Can we even preserve even distinct tribal cultures? Can we sing praises of USA as a great melting pot, at the same time trying to maintain kashmir as an island? In the process, are we not being unjust to kashmiris themselves? Intermingling is the greatest teacher, transformer and equalizer. Why are the kashmiris being kept isolated from the rest of the country? They do not have even mobile phones, by govt order. Even the intenet was denied to them for many months as part of anti-terrorist measures. ============================================================================ ================ Guptaji, Ensuring Kashmiriyat to the natives is nothing but a kind of sop to win them over to give up separatist demand. With such vast and vibrant India to the south, can they retain their nativity intact ?? In case of India as a whole, to what extent we, with all our just claims of old civilization are able to withstand the inroads of U.S, western cultures ? ============================================================================ =========== 3. If China can invade and gobble up Tibet and if the Portugese and the French and the British could almost annexe Goa, Pondicherry and the rest of India respectively; if the great giant of human rights can pulverize Afghan huts with impunity and get world support to attack Iraq, why can't the citizens of our blessed country simply walk across to Kashmir for living, working or earning? ============================================================================ ============== None of the above countries you mention, ever took the decision through debates. They just did it and are doing it. We Indians are 'thought braves' and 'action cowards'. ============================================================================ ============== 4. People are not fools. They will go there only if they find it worth it. Nobody would like to go there just to get killed by terrorists. But go they will, no doubt about that, as soon as they have legal permission to get jobs, buy land and establish business there. The reverse corollary is that the moment these are permitted, terrorism, which the government is not able to wipe out despite heavy costs, will disappear on its own. Terrorists would be nabbed by people themselves, police and military will not be needed. ============================================================================ ========== This is hundred touch true. With the inflow of new people far removed from the idea of violence, the locals who are being carried away by the fundamentalists will show shift in tendency. But for this to happen, no less than 50,000 of us should be willing to die (in the ensuing increased attacks). This will ensure that some 5 million from other states of India who will make Kashmir their new home will triumph over sinister designs of the misguided people. Then you can expext J & K to produce pencil and rubber. ============================================================================ ======= 5. I submit, just my wild guess, that the bogey of preserving Article 370 and Kashmiriyat are just ploys to keep j & K as a separate entity so that funds keep on flowing there, bleeding the general Indian public, these funds being siphoned off by the politicians in collusion with the separatists and terrorists. The moment the latter two give up their arms and demands, army and security forces need not be deployed there, with withdrawal of fund flow to pockets of politicians. ============================================================================ ========== I do not think there is even a remote chance of such a nexus. Some vested interests can not be ruled out, but then thats it, nothing like deep rooted conspiracy. ============================================================================ ========== 6. If Kashmiriyat is so precious to be preserved, whatever it is, why does the government allow the kashmiris to get out of the valley at all, even to foreign countries? How does that help preserve the so called kashmiriyat? ============================================================================ =========== Only the ashes of Jawaharlal Nehru can give reasons. ============================================================================ ============== 7. In any case, in what manner is Bihari or brij or marwari or gujarati or Kerala or Tamil or Bengali or Assamese culture any less important than the so called great kashmiri culture? If Hindu-muslim unity is supposedly the core of kashmiriyat, how were kabir and raskhan and akbar in the past, and the millions of ordinary folk all over India today, able to live in peace and homogeneity, away from the kashmir winds? Have not muslims been our presidents and chief justices, with none speaking a word against them? ============================================================================ ============== Do not expect Indian Muslims to come out against Jehadis in the open. Either they are too scared or have no clue on what nationalism is expected to mean in today's context. ============================================================================ =========== Will kashmiris on the list kindly speak up? I invite nukkadites to offer views on this. ============================================================================ =========== If they could speak up with intellect and conviction, the situation would not have been as precarious as it is today. This community is not known for talent in any field in general. Round and square, they have only one Nehru family to quote at national level. It appears that the whole community is gyrating around Nehru and Sheikh Abdulla families. And we know how much good and how much damage they have caused to themselves and India. All Gunjus, Tikkus, Razdans, Mattus, Naths, Wanchhoos, Haksars, Dhars, Pandits, Saprus etc. are damaads (son-in-laws) of Government of India. ============================================================================ =========== Rohit Zaveri. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To join/leave, use the form at: http://www.mumbai-central.com/nukkad/#options This list is archived at: http://www.mumbai-central.com/nukkad/archive.html
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