RE: [nukkad] proud to be Indian?

["sharad vernekar" <sharadv@hotmail.com>]

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Gautam,

I thought I owe you an explanation.

What the west is doing is no way of explaining what is wrong of India.  If 
it is wrong it is wrong.

Also, how can one be proud of something he/she made absolutely no effort to 
achieve? Where does one get this right? Why does one need it?

Staying with problems and not doing anything is as bad as running away from 
problems. Anyways, I don't think I would have done anything if I were in 
India. Question arises what those proud Indians who are staying in India 
because they are proud of India are doing? (since you seem to have realized 
something needs to be done).

Tell me Gautam, during the hijacking crisis there was a cricket match going 
on between India and Aus. Were you more concerned about the cricket score or 
the status of the passenger, your fellow Indians. Even times reported 
cricket score on the headlines because the hijack was around eight days old. 
What future can a country have if it values games above the lives of its 
people. It all comes down to you individual interest not national. Wake up 
Gautam!

Sharad.

From: Gautam Sardar <gautams@pune.tcs.co.in>
To: sharad vernekar <sharadv@hotmail.com>, 
venugopalan.vedam@owens-ill.com,nukkad-list@mumbai-central.com
Subject: RE: [nukkad] proud to be Indian?
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:40:20 +0530

Friends,

I think Sharad Vernekar is into some kind of illusion about western part of
this world.
Does he mean to say that they don't have some intelligent people taking
advantage of others?
In fact west, typically US has been exploiting the world with their wierd
policies.
They have always been grossly inconsistant with their thought process.

Anyway, what to say of people who even try to make profits out of wars.
However bad, Indian politicians have never tried that. Rather, no Indian can
even think of gaining something out of wars.

I am surely proud to be a part of such a human culture.

Being born in India was not by choice.
But being proud about it is by choice.

Changes ofcourse are required to be made. But they can only be made by
staying with the problems not running away from them.
Its easy to be away from problems and make comments about them.

Yes ! surely being an Indian is a responsibility. But merely saying so is
not realising it !

regards
- gautam

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sharad vernekar [mailto:sharadv@hotmail.com]
 > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 2:33 AM
 > To: venugopalan.vedam@owens-ill.com; nukkad-list@mumbai-central.com
 > Subject: Re: [nukkad] proud to be Indian?
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 > Venu,
 >
 > Don't take it personal, but I would like your sincere
 > response to this.
 >
 > I don't think there are enough reasons to be proud of India.
 > I would say
 > there are definitely more reasons to be ashamed, although I
 > do not care.
 > Patriotism/love pride in country are things used by some cunning
 > (intelligent) people to take advantage of the rest.
 >
 > I know India as a place where everybody is more
 > concerned/worried about
 > others gains than his/her own. I still remember the shock I
 > had when I first
 > stepped in a society other than Indian. I could not believe it.
 >
 > It is because of people who refuse to accept the reality and
 > continue to
 > take pride in India that India continues to remain as it is and not
 > change.
 >
 > Coming to your problem of missing India. I don't think that
 > is in anyway
 > related to your pride in India. It is your limitation. Once
 > you go back to
 > India and start missing US, would that mean you have now
 > started being proud
 > of US.
 >
 > Accept reality, only then can you work on changing it. That's
 > the way to
 > take pride in. You and I were born Indians. We do not have to
 > be proud or
 > ashamed of that. It is neither your sucess nor your failure,
 > it is more a
 > responsibility.
 >
 > rgds,
 > Sharad.
 >
 > From: venugopalan.vedam@owens-ill.com
 > To: nukkad-list@mumbai-central.com
 > Subject: Re: [nukkad] proud to be Indian?
 > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:27:22 -0500 (EST)
 >
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 > First of all... I don't think I need to have a "reason" to be
 > proud of my
 > country.
 >
 > I like the way India is.. I like the way Indians are.. I like
 > the social
 > life of India and I am missing India very much here in the
 > United States.
 >
 > I am an Indian and I can proudly say that. Since you don't
 > want to go into
 > history, I cannot possibly list out the top ten reasons why
 > one should love
 > his country.
 >
 > It is time that shapes up a country. It is the history and
 > the people. If
 > you don't want to mention people or history here, you cannot define a
 > country... let alone finding out the reason for being proud of it.
 >
 > Finally, there are umpteen number of reasons.
 >
 > But I would like to hear why you've questioned the greatness of India!
 >
 > Curious...
 >
 > Sincerely,
 > Venu
 >
 > Happy New Millennium!
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: "Anil.Nair[nairani]"@geodc.patni.com
 > <"Anil.Nair[nairani]"@geodc.patni.com>
 > To: "nukkad[nukkad-list]"@mumbai-central.com
 > <"nukkad[nukkad-list]"@mumbai-central.com>
 > Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:47 PM
 > Subject: [nukkad] proud to be Indian?
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 >  >Hi ,
 >  >I am sorry if i do not sound patriotic, but off late i have
 > my doubts
 > about
 >  >India being a 'great' country.
 >  >Could you guys / girls say something about why they are proud to be
 > Indians
 >  >(please don't talk of Gandhiji and Buddha ... again)
 >  >Thanks
 >  >Anil
 >  >
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