Re: Muslims in police and military

[praveen singh <>]

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Hi everyone,

Its becoming really pathetic and crossing the
limits.Its very evident that most of us are yet to
learn to take the things in right and mature sense.

Most of the times it seems that the forum is well in
control and there are mature people with rational
outlooks who are on the list to discuss something
positive,constructive,infotmative and everyone
respects another person's feelings.

Its sad to see that when it comes to discuss something
sensitive which calls for real maturity and
understanding other's views,we fail to take the things
in the right sense.This has happened time and again.It
seems that we can discuss only movies,sports and sex
in this forum.When something sensitive comes up,things
are blown out of proportion and situation becomes
quite volatile.I am sorry to say on these occaions we
fail to exhibit ourselves as mature,educated and
civilized lot.

Its unfortunate to see someone questioning the sanity
of senior person like Guptaji.He is one of the few
poeple on the list who really shares something which
justifies the very purpose of nukkad.

I understand the feelings of Mr jignesh.I do
symapthize with him.My only advice to him would be not
to generalize the things.

I really dont know what to say about loving fellow's
uncalled mail.Its really disgusting.He is requested to
refrain from using this kind of language.It gives a
wrong message.

Please do keep in mind that we have got ladies also on
the list.

Personally I feel take same  pride in Sri Abdul
Kalaam’s ,Abdul Hamid etc as I take in Bhagat
Singh,Sardar Patel,etc.

I love Shahrukh and Amitabh equally.So what happened
to all the venemous feeling which I am supposed to
carry as a Hindu towards a particular religion?

Slaying each other is not patriotism.Its being
bestial.I dont know how much time and killings would
it take us to understand it??

I am posting a speech by sri Abdul Kalaam’s which
would tell us something about patriotism and what is
expected of us to make this country a better one.

Recognizing the facts and acknowledging the truth are
not very difficult deeds.Just have an open mind and
listen to yourself.

I have got great respect for Aryaji.I do like his
poetry and every article he writes.

There are very few people like Mr Rajabau,Gupatji,Mr
Arya,Mr Zaveri,etc who share something informative and
stimulating.

I expect that decorum would be maintained and we would
make ourselves a bit more responsible for all what we
say.

regards
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Dr. Abdul Kalaam’s Speech 
I  have  three  visions for India. In 3000 years of
our history people from all  over the world have come
and  invaded us, captured our lands, conquered our 
minds.  From Alexander onwards, the Greeks, the Turks,
 the Moguls, the Portuguese, the British, the French,
the Dutch, all of them came and looted 
us, took over  what was ours. Yet we have not done
this to any other nation. 
  

 We have  not  conquered  anyone.  We have not grabbed
their land, their culture, and their  history and 
tried to enforce our way of life on them.  Why? 
Because we respect the freedom of others. That is why 
my first vision is  that  of  FREEDOM. I believe that
India got its first vision of this in 1857, when  we 
 started the war of independence. It is this freedom
that we must  protect  and  nurture  and  build on.If 
we are not free, no one will respect us. 

 My  second  vision for India is DEVELOPMENT. For
fifty years we have been a developing  nation. It  is 
time we see ourselves as a developed nation. We are 
among  top  5 nations of the world interms of  GDP. We
have 10 percent growth rate in most areas. Our poverty
levels are falling. Ourachievements are 
 being globally recognized today. Yet we lack the
self-confidence to see ourselves  as a
developednation,  self-reliant and self-assured. Isn’t
this incorrect? 

 I  have a THIRD vision. India must stand up to the
world. Because I believe that  unless  India  stands
up  to the world, no one will respect us. Only
strength  respects strength. We must be strong not
onlyas a  military power but  also  as an economic
power. Both must go hand-in-hand. My good fortunewas 
to 
 have worked with three great minds. Dr.Vikram
Sarabhai of the Dept.  of space, Professor Satish
Dhawan, who succeeded him and Dr. Brahm Prakash,
father  of  nuclear  material. I was lucky tohave 
worked with all three of them closely and consider
this the great opportunity of my life. I seefour 
milestones in my career: 

 ONE:  Twenty  years  I spent in ISRO. I was given the
opportunity to be the project  director  forIndia’s 
first satellite launch vehicle SLV3. The one that 
launched  Rohini. These years played a veryimportant 
role in my life of Scientist. 

 TWO:  After my ISRO years, I joined DRDO and got a
chance to be the part of India’s  guided missile  
program. It was my second bliss when Agni met its
mission requirements in 1994. 

 THREE:  The Dept. of Atomic Energy and DRDO had this
tremendous partnership in  the  recent nuclear  tests,
on May 11 and 13. This was the third bliss.  The joy
of participating with my team inthese nuclear  tests
and proving to the world that India can make it, that
we are no longer a developingnation but  one of  them.
It made me feel very proud as an Indian. The fact that
we have  now developed  for  Agni  a   re-entry 
structure,  for which we have developed this new
material. A Verylight material called  carbon-carbon. 

 FOUR:  One  day  an  orthopedic  surgeon  from  Nizam
 Institute of Medical Sciences  visited  my 
laboratory.  He  lifted the material and found it so
light  that  he  took  me to his hospital and showedme
 his patients. There were these little girls and boys
with heavy metallic calipers weighing over three Kg. 
each,  dragging their feet around. He said to me:
Please remove the  pain  of  my  patients.  In three 
weeks, we made these Floor reaction Orthosis  300 
gram  callipers  and took them to theorthopedic 
centre. The children  didn’t  believe their eyes. From
dragging around a three kg. Load ontheir legs, they 
could now move around! Their parents had tears in
their eyes. That was my fourth 
bliss! 

 Why  is  the  media here so negative? Why are we in
India so embarrassed to recognize  our own strengths,
our achievements? We are such a great nation.  We 
have so many amazing success stories but we refuse to
acknowledge them.  Why?  We  are  the  first  in  milk
production. We are numberone  in Remote sensing
satellites. We are the second largest producer of
wheat. We are the second largest   producer of rice.
Look at Dr.Sudarshan, he has transferred the  tribal 
village  into  aself-sustaining,  self-driving unit.
There are millions  of  such  achievements  but our
media is onlyobsessed in the bad  news  and  failures
and disasters. I was in Tel Aviv once and I was
reading the Israeli  newspaper.  It 
 was  the  day  after  a  lot  of  attacks and
bombardments  and  deaths  had  taken  place. The
Hamas had struck. But the front  page  of  the
newspaper had the picture of a Jewish gentleman who in
fiveyears  had transformed his desert land into an
orchid and a granary. It was  this  inspiring  picture
thateveryone 
 woke up to. The gory details of killings, 
bombardments, deaths, were inside in the newspaper,
buried among other news. 

 In India we only read about death, sickness,
terrorism, crime.  Why  are  we  so  NEGATIVE? 
Another  question:  Why are we, as a nation so
obsessed  with 
foreign  things? We want foreign TVs. We want foreign
shirts.  We  want foreign technology. Why ?this 
obsession with everything imported.  Do  we  not 
realize  that self-respect comes with self-reliance? I
 was in Hyderabad  giving  this  lecture,  when a 14
years old girl asked me for myautograph.  I  asked 
her  what her goal in life is: She replied: I want to
live  in  a  developed  India. For  her, you and I
will have to build this developed India. You must
proclaim. India is not an 
under-developed nation; it is a highly  developed
nation. 

 Do you have 10 minutes? Allow me to come back with
vengeance. Got  10  minutes  for yourcountry? If yes,
then read; otherwise, choice is yours.  YOU  say  that
our  government is inefficient.YOU say that our laws
are  too  old.  YOU say that the municipality does not
 pick up the garbage. YOU say that the phones don’t
work, the railways are a joke, the airline is the 
worst in the world, andmails never reach  their
destination. YOU say that our country has been fed to
the  dogs and  is  the absolute pits. YOU say, say and
say. What do YOU do about it?  Take  a  person on  his
way toSingapore. Give him a name -YOURS. Give him a
face - YOURS. 

 YOU  walk  out  of  the  airport and you are at your
International best. In Singapore  you  don’t throw 
cigarette  butts  on  the roads or eat in the stores.
YOU are as proud of their UndergroundLinks as they 
are. You pay $5 (approx. Rs.60) to drive through
Orchard Road (equivalent of MahimCauseway or Pedder 
Road) between 5 PM and 8 PM.  YOU  comeback  to  the
parking lot topunch your parking ticket if you  have 
over  stayed  in a restaurant or a shopping mall
irrespective ofyour status  identity. In Singapore 
you don’t say anything, DO YOU? YOU wouldn’t dare  to 
eat  inpublic during Ramadan, in Dubai. YOU  would not
dare to go out  without  your  head  covered  in 
Jeddah. YOU would not dare to buy an  employee  of the
telephone exchange in London at 10 pounds(Rs.650) a
month to,  “see  to it that my  STD and ISD calls are
billed to someone else.* YOU wouldnot dare to speed
beyond 55 mph (88 kmph)  in Washington and then tell
the traffic cop, “Jaanta haisala main kaun hoon (Do
you know who I am?). I  am  so  and so’s son. Take
your two bucks and getlost.” YOU wouldn’t chuck an 
empty coconut shell  anywhere other than the garbage
pail on thebeaches in Australia and New Zealand. 

 Why  don’t  YOU  spit  Paan  on  the  streets  of 
Tokyo? Why don’t YOU use examination  jockeys or  buy 
fake  certificates  in  Boston? We are still talking 
of  the  same  YOU.  YOU  who canrespect and  conform
to a foreign system in other countries but cannot in
your own. You who willthrow papers and  cigarettes  on
the road the moment you touch Indian ground. You can
be an 
involved and appreciative  citizen in an alien country
why cannot you be the  same  here  in  India. Once  in
an interview, the  famous Ex-municipal commissioner of
Bombay Mr.Tinaikar had a point tomake. “Rich people’s
dogs are   walked  on  the streets to leave their
affluent droppings all over the 
place,”  he  said.  “And  then the same  people turn
around to criticize and blame  the  authorities 
forinefficiency and dirty pavements. What do  they
expect  the officers to do? Go down with a broomevery
time their dog feels the  pressure  in  his  bowels? 
In America every dog owner has to clean upafter  his
pet has done the job. Same in  Japan  Will the Indian
citizen do that here?” He’s right. We go 
to the polls to choose a government and after that 
forfeit  all  responsibility.  We sit back wanting to
bepampered and expect  the government  to do
everything for us whilst our contribution is
totallynegative. We expect the government to clean up
but we  are not going to stop chucking garbage allover
the place or are we going to stop to pick a up a stray
 piece of paper and throw it in the bin. We 
expect the railways to  provide clean bathrooms but we
are not  going to learn the proper use of bathrooms. 
We  want  Indian  Airlines and Air India to provide
thebest of  food  and  toiletries  but  we are not
going to stop pilfering at the least opportunity. 
  

 This  applies  even to the staff who is known not to
pass on the service to the  public.  When  it comesto 
burning social issues like those related to women,  
dowry,   girl   child  and  others,  we  make loud 
drawing  room protestations and continue to do the
reverse at home. 

 Our  excuse? “It’s the whole system which has to
change, how will it matter if I alone forego my
sons’rights to a dowry.” So who’s going to change the
system? What does a system consist of? Very
conveniently for us it consists of our neighbors,
other households, other cities, other communities and 
the government.  But  definitely  not  me and YOU.
When it comes to us actually making  a  positive
contribution to the system we lock ourselves along
with our families into a safe cocoon and look intothe 
distance at countries far away  and  wait for a Mr.
Clean to come along & work miracles for uswith a 
majestic sweep of his hand. Or we leave the country
and run away. Like lazy cowards 
hounded  by our  fears we run to America to bask in
their glory and praise their system. 
  

 When  New York becomes insecure we run to England.
When England experiences unemployment,we  take the
next flight out to the Gulf.  When  the  Gulf  is war
struck, we demand to be rescued andbrought home by the
 Indian  government.  Everybody  is  out to abuse and
rape the country. Nobody  thinks of feeding the
system. Our conscience  is mortgaged to money.  Dear 
Indians,  The article is highly thought inductive,
calls for a great deal  of   introspection and pricks
one’s consciencetoo.... I am echoing J.  F. Kennedy’s
words to his fellow 
 Americans to relate to Indians. 

 “ASK  WHAT  WE CAN DO FOR INDIA AND DO WHAT HAS TO BE
DONE TOMAKE INDIA 

 WHAT AMERICA AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES ARE TODAY” 

 End of Speech 



 


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