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["Mahesh chandra gupta" <>]

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ONE

Subject: Difference between killing of animals and plants

Majid stated: “Could someone pls elaborate as to why killing plants is not considered as
much brutal, inhuman, uncivilized etc etc as killing animals ?”

Comments:

1. Because killing of plants does not involve the conscious, visible, violent act perpetrated on the organism coupled with visible desire on its part against such killing and for longer living, as also visible, almost violent efforts to escape such killing.

2. Because killing vertebrates is a time bound, clearly discernible, definitive act with clear cut start and end points. The animal, alive and kicking all the while,  is dead in minutes as soon as the artery or the wind pipe is slit. Plants may be uprooted, unwatered for long, lie withered for months and, presto! They come alive suddenly when proper season comes. Life is not in and out of them in minutes; it just gets, so to say, shrunk; [in biology, sporing is the classical example]. It is well known that wheat plant is uprooted and destroyed, grain taken out, eaten by birds or animals, passed out in their faeces, yet it sprouts in soil. So the concepts of killing and violence are not the same with plants and animals.

3. Because, drawing from legal phraseology, crime is determined by mens rea [the guilty state of mind ]. Necessity and  private defence are well known universal exceptions against criminal liability. In like manner, when plants are, so to say, killed, man does so out of necessity, to defend himself from certain death by starvation. When one kills a chicken or goat or cow, one does it purely to satisfy his palate, not his need to survive.

MC Gupta


TWO

 
Subject: Basic biology

Majid wrote: “The best example that comes to mind is of carbon dioxide that we exhale which is used
by plants to make chlorophyll”

Probably what he meant was:

“The best example that comes to mind is of carbon dioxide that we exhale which is used
by plants to make carbohydrates with the help of enzymes in the presence of chlorophyll, which acts as catalyst, the source of energy for the process being sunshine.”

MC Gupta


THREE

Subject: Indo-Pak war

Vaibhav wrote: “I might Sound Stupid, but does anyone have answers to the above questions?
Does anybody have Alternatives?

Lets try to resolve the differences.”

Comments: 

1. No, you sound sage, not stupid. 

2. Alternatives suggested are as follows:


Since diplomatic and political exchanges between the two countries are banned or unlikely, let there be organized two conferences as follows:

A. A conference of mullahs, maulavis, imams etc. from both countries to discuss the concept of zihaad and the religious roots of Kashmir problem and its perceived solution by jihaadis and the futility and irreligiousness of the same. Once they deliberate at length amongst themselves, they are sure to do soul searching and arrive at some mutual understanding which will certainly have  some impact. The conferences must be organized with the blessings of both govts. The venue should be neutral. It may be right at the LOC or on either side of it, with alternate sessions held on each side.
B. A conference/conferences of academicians [scientists, economists, military strategists, environmentalists, sociologists, political scientists etc.] organized in USA with the blessings of all 3 governments . No delegates would be politicians or government officials. The delegates should be such as are sponsored by both countries and have a clout in the government-political establishment of both countries. 

I am sure these conferences will bear some fruit. At the minimum, they will delay the flare up of the  present belligerent eye ball confrontation 

MC Gupta

FOUR

Subject: Horrors of Nuclear war: depiction of the movie on TV

In response to vaibhav, Indian Rediff wrote:

“The rulers of BOTH countries have very very carefully NOT spelt out the consequences of a Nuclear War. I would recommend the showing of 'The Day After' (1981 - made for TV) suitably dubbed in a dozen or so languages, to ALL the people of the subcontinent - not once, not twice but DOZENS of times so that the images of the aftermath of a nuclear War are indelibly etched in the minds of the viewers. Will some channel be able to handle this?”

Comment:

There was a talk recently on the list about Bollywood celebrities being contacted and cajoled to answer nukkad mails. That might be fun to some, but, in essence, an exercise in futility.

However, Rediff’s suggestion is very good and needs to be followed up. A simple way, not needing elaborate networking, would be for harshal to send a copy of Rediff’s mail, suitably edited, to various TV channels, also inviting them to subscribe to the nukkad list. This would ensure that at least some of them join the list and our various suggestions, which are sometimes great, reach an audience which is in position to disseminate them, do necessary follow up and even implement them on their own. Similar invitation might be sent to various newspapers too. If some journalists and other media persons join the list in their individual capacity as ordinary members, the effectivity of the list will be increased. Those of us who know such persons can also invite them to join the list at personal level.

MC Gupta


FIVE

Subject: GAYA MATA

Arya wrote:

GAYE MATA

Gaye Mata
Tere ku kata
Banaya kabab
Aisa la-jawab
Gaye Mata.

Yavan ko halal*
Mc Donald ko mal*
Sausage sunder hua
Jaisey marela* chuha*
Gaye Mata.

Hindu namaskar kare
Yavan ke haath mare
Yeh kaisa avtar tera
Tujhe lahu* ne ghera
Gaye Mata.

Dr. Homi,

I know I have been sometimes a bit irreverent to you in my criticism of your rather too proliferate postings, which are at times beyond my grey matter and, hence, patience. But the above piece bids me to beg your pardon for, beneath the apparent, lies rare heart and talent, which the ordinary folk cannot comprehend. 
This one piece is enough reward for my having joined nukkad and having spent hours and hours on it.

My tributes!

MC Gupta


SIX

Subject: Islam and meat eating

Ref:  Ameer Ali’s response to Kapil regarding ‘not eating meat'. 

“Can v take from these quotes that authors of them did not eat any animal meat/
food made from animals?”

Comments:

1. It is nice to see probably the first mail from amir ali. Welcome!
2. Why must we be so touchy and see everything through the prism of religion? It seems that an essentially  veg-nonveg debate is being given the colour of Hindu-Muslim debate. As educated folk, we should keep free from self imposed traps.

MC Gupta


SEVEN

Subject: Universal affairs [no Hindu/Muslim/Christian distinctions]


The First Affair

There was a middle-age couple that had two stunningly beautiful teen-age daughters. The couple
decided to try one last time for the son they always wanted.

After months of trying, the wife became pregnant and, sure enough, delivered a healthy baby boy nine
months later. The joyful father rushed to the nursery to see his new son. He took one look and was horrified to find the ugliest child he had ever seen.

He went to his wife and said that there was no way that he could be the father of the child. "Look at
the two beautiful daughters I fathered," he cried.Then he gave her a stern look and asked, "Have you
been fooling around on me?"

The wife smiled sweetly and said, "Not this time."


The Third Affair

A woman was in bed with her lover when she heard her husband opening the front door. 

"Hurry!" she said. "Stand in the corner!"
She quickly rubbed baby oil all over him and thenshe dusted him with talcum powder. "Don't move until
I tell you to," she whispered. "Just pretend you're a statue." 

"What's this, honey?" the husband inquired as he entered the room. 

“Oh, it'sjust a statue," she replied nonchalantly. "The Smiths bought one fortheir bedroom. I liked it so much, I got one for us, too." 
No more was said about the statue, not even later that night when they went to sleep.

 Around 2 a.m., the husband got out of bed, went to the kitchen and returned a while later with a sandwich and a glass of milk.
 "Here", he said to the statue, "eat something. I stood like an idiot at the Smiths' for three days, and nobody offered me as much as a glass of water."


The Fourth Affair

A man walks into a bar one night. He goes up to the bartender and asks for a beer.

"Certainly, sir," replies the bartender. "That'll be 1cent." "ONE CENT!" exclaims the customer.
The barman replies, "Yes."
So the guy glances over the menu and asks, "Could I have a nice juicy T-bone steak with chips, peas and
a fried egg?"
"Certainly, sir," replies the bartender, "but all that comes to real money."

"How much money?" inquires the guy.
"Four cents," the bartender replies.
"FOUR cents!" exclaims the guy. "Where's the guy who owns this place?" The bartender replies, "Upstairs with my wife."
The guy asks, "What's he doing with your wife?"
The bartender replies, "Same as I'm doing to his business."


The Fifth Affair

Jake was dying. His wife, Becky, was maintaining a candlelight vigil by his side. She held his fragile hand,
tears running down her face. Her praying roused him from his slumber. He looked up and his pale lips began to move slightly.

 "My darling Becky," he whispered.
 "Hush, my love,"she said. "Rest. Shhh, don't talk."
He was insistent. "Becky," he said in his tired voice, "I have something I must confess to you."
"There's nothing to confess," replied the weeping Becky. "Everything's all right. Go to sleep."
"No, no, I must die in peace, Becky. I slept with your sister, your best friend, her best friend and
your mother!"
"I know," Becky whispered softly, "That's why I poisoned you."


The Sixth Affair

An elderly gent was invited to his old friend's home for dinner one evening. He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife with endearing terms -"Honey," "My Love," "Darling," "Sweetheart," "Pumpkin," etc.

The couple had been married almost 70 years and, clearly, they were still very much in love.
While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and  said to his host, "I think it's wonderful that, after all these years, you still call your wife those loving pet names."

The old man hung his head. "I have to tell you the truth," he said.  "I forgot her name about 10 years ago.". 

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