Re: [nukkad] Vadodara

["Dr.M.C. Gupta" <>]

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Thanks, Rohit bhai. I am in a peculiar situation. If I say that Iraq
aggression was illegal in international law, I am dubbed as anti-American.
If I appreciate muslims/Osama for standing up to American tyranny, I am
deemed a clown. If I criticize muslims for Godhara train burning, I am
labelled an RSS Chaddiwala.

In the cirumstances, in response to Anna's request for balanced comments
[implying thereby, probably, that any accusing finger at muslims would be
regarded as unbalanced and any accusing finger at Modi would be hailed as
secular and balanced], I thought it best to state the facts in four short,
simple sentences, in a legal manner, reserving the comments for the day when
the case is listed for arguments. Thanks for reading, and supplying, in
between the lines, and, thereby, providing the arguments.

I agree with you that India is a complex situation. I remember your having
made this point earlier also, with Anna retorting that Poland is equally
complex. As a matter of fact, the socio-psychological undercurrents of even
a single  family are also immensely complex. While no country can be without
its complexities, it needs to be appreciated that the situation is far more
complex in a country with a billion plus population; 18 languages in the
Eighth Schedule of the Constitution;  hundreds of dialects;  thousands of
castes and subcastes;  presence, unhindered,  of almost all religions of the
world;  polar extrtemes in educational, economic standards etc., coupled
with the fact that all this happens with two third population being
illiterate, one third below poverty line, yet with a vibrant democracy. The
conundrum that is India so puzzled Bush, [though US, with all its
researchers, universities, Nobel laureates and innumerable 'think tanks',
that claims to know all about the East (after all, US, with its penchant for
research, would not have invaded Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran etc., or,
developed multi-trillion trade with China, without studying/knowing all that
is possible about these Eastern countries)  should have known the answer],
as to ask the Indian PM in a personal meeting as to how it is that India has
200 million muslims, yet not one of them is an Al Quaida fundamentalist.

[Though Man Mohan Singh did not tell him this, I would have told Bush that
Islam is same all over the world. Islam is the same in US as in India. But,
India has Hindus, not Christians, as the majority community. It is only
Hinduism that teaches, and practices,  tolerance. Though Jihad is a bad name
today, it is nothing but the counterpart of Crusades. I have read the
accounts of how Christianity was spread and forced in the Americas. Women
were raped and infants tossed on hot irons, while men were simply killed.
All this, with due sanction of the Church. Source: A book, written by an
American, published in US, read in a US library, in 1991 by yours truly.
That is why the Al Quaida has followers and operatives in US, not India.
Muslims commit twin towers on US, not India.].

I agree that India, and the East in general,  is too complex to be seen and
interpreted through the naked eye, without the discerning eye of the mind.

My thoughts about the East have been poetically penned as follows:



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*708. THE ORIENTAL MYSTIQUE: a sonnet—423900 in Miscellanea, 963917*

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http://www2.writing.com/main/books/entry_id/423900





What is so called oriental mystique?

What mental images does the East bring?

Is it the black magic and the rope trick?

Or, the elephant, or, the jungle king?



Is it the half clad monks with shaven head?

Women in veil, too shy to show their face?

Children who starve simply for lack of bread?

Queens attired in pure silk and golden lace?



East is all this but in  reality,

It is a way of life, cultural prism,

Which is steeped in spirituality,

Away from outward materialism.



That East is East and West is West was said

By Kipling in true earnest, not in jest.







   - Rudyard Kipling's The Ballad of the East and West: Oh, East is East,
   and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand
   presently ...



www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/1457/poem3.htm







   - Can be viewed at: http://www2.writing.com/main/books/entry_id/423900



   - Related poems:



EAST IS EAST AND WEST IS WEST--

*http://www2.writing.com/main/view_item/item_id/900795#sw*



WHEN I THINK OF ENGLAND—
http://www2.writing.com/main/view_item/item_id/920698#sw





M C Gupta

6 May 2006**

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On 5/7/06, ROHIT  wrote:
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> 1. Gujarat High Court ordered removal of a structure.
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> This Dargah was not the only illegally built and obstructing structure.
> A few days earlier some six road side temples were demolished.
> There were protests and presentations to the municipal authorities,
> but then that was all about it. All illegally constructed temples were
> razed to the ground and the area cleared for widening the road to
> cater to ever growing traffic in Vadodara, a city of 2 million.
> Before the court's order was enacted by the local civic authority,
> several rounds of conciliatory meetings were held with Muslim
> religious and community leaders of the area but their adamancy
> prevented any amicable settlement of the matter.
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> 2. It was removed in pursuance of court orders.
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> Because the municipal authorities knew before hand what was in
> the offing when it came to removing an illegal structure of Muslim
> faith, they had as a pre-emptive measure obtained the court's prior
> permission. Or else the demolition squads of each municipality is
> always authorized to clear such structures, no matter if they are of
> religious importance to any community in particular or to all in the
> locality.
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> 3. Some people wanted their personal views to prevail over Court orders
> and
> related action and took law in their own hands and created law and order
> problem, to quell which police had to resort to firing, resulting in a few
> deaths.
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> The point here is the demolished structure was an old Dargah and can not
> be regarded as mosque / masjid. Usually a Dargah is visited by the
> followers
> of both Muslim and Hindu faiths for they are symbolic of Sufi / Bhakti
> versions
> of each practice, like all Dargahs all over India. True, some 80% of them
> could
> be Muslims, but then the Hindus did not seek confrontation with the
> authorities,
> while few Muslims gave it an intolerant and later a violent turn. In
> strict Islam
> there is no room for structures like Dargah, Makbara etc. etc., then why
> such
> a vehement opposition disturbing peace of 2 million ?
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> 4. The above are mere facts, as reported in the media. When facts are
> plain,
> why muddle them with comments?
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> Anna has some exposure to Indian affairs from the remote corner and
> generally her observations are of a bird's eye view. Naturally we do
> not expect her to know much of actual, factual ground realities of a
> country so vastly differing in her demographic character. Thus some
> clarifications might be helpful to her.
> --
> Prof. M C Gupta
> MD (Medicine), MPH,  LL.M.,
>
> Advocate & Health and Medico-legal Consultant
>
> mcgupta44@gmail.com
> medical.negligence@indiatimes.com
> http://www.medindia.net/myhome/mcgupta44
> www.writing.com/authors/mcgupta44

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