Re: [[nukkad] Rajababu apologises to Nukkad]

[Sandeep Budhrani <>]

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Tip of the day:  What we need is either less corruption, or more chance to
participate in it.
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Hello Rajababu,

Hope this finds you well.

You mention:
>) My only alibi, if one may call it that, was that I had not read the
Mahabharata properly. I got a chance to read it 3-4 days ago. Yes, if your
ego says so, you must take up the cause. Dont think of peace. It is a
question of your Karma. Right, Mr. Sandeep

No chief, that is not right.
One must take the cause not because one's ego says so. One takes a cause,say
the cause be to help a friend, to support the right (if the friend is doing
the right).
In fact many a times our ego becomes a cause of our downfall. 
The ego (let us not mistake this false ego with the real Self) is the cause of
bondage as it leads us to bad karmas and so we have to suffer the result of
the bad karmas and thus this keeps us entangled in the cycle of life and
death.

It is worth mentioning what Lord Krishna says to Arjuna in the concluding
chapter:Chapter 18, text 17

yasya nahankrto bhavo  buddhir yasya na lipyate 
hatvapi sa imal lokan  na hanti na nibadhyate

TRANSLATION 
One who is not motivated by false ego, whose intelligence is                  
 not entangled, though he kills men in this world, is not the slayer.
Nor is he bound by his actions. 


PURPORT 
In this verse Lord informs Arjuna that the desire not to fight            
arises from false ego. Arjuna thought himself to be the doer of action,       
             but he did not consider the supreme sanction within and without.
If one                     does not know that a supersanction is there, why
should he act? But one                     who knows the instrument of work,
himself as the worker, and the                     Supreme Lord as the supreme
sanctioner, is perfect in doing everything.                     Such a person
is never in illusion. Personal activity and responsibility                    
arise from false ego and godlessness, or a lack of Krsna consciousness.       
             Anyone who is acting in Krsna consciousness under the direction
of the                     Supersoul or the Supreme Personality of Godhead,
even though killing,                     does not kill. Nor is he ever
affected with the reaction of such killing.                     



Rajababu, to understand this further, I bring to your attention another
verse:taken from chapter 7, text 5
apareyam itas tv anyam  prakrtim viddhi me param 
jiva-bhutam maha-baho   yayedam dharyate jagat

TRANSLATION 
Besides this inferior nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is                 
  a superior energy of Mine, which are all living entities who are            
        struggling with material nature and are sustaining the universe. 

PURPORT 
Here it is clearly mentioned that living entities belong to the superior
nature (or energy) of the Supreme Lord. The inferior energy is matter
manifested in different elements, namely earth, water, fire, air, ether,
mind, intelligence and false ego. Both forms of material nature, namely
gross (earth, etc.) and subtle (mind, etc.), are products of the inferior
energy. The living entities, who are exploiting these inferior energies or
different purposes, are the superior energy of the Supreme Lord, and it
is due to this energy that the entire material world functions. The cosmic
manifestation has no power to act unless it is moved by the superior
energy, the living entity. Energies are always controlled by the energetic,
and therefore living entities are always controlled by the Lord--they have no
independent existence. They are never equally powerful, as unintelligent men
think. The distinction between the living entities and the  Lord is described
in Srimad-Bhagavatam as follows (10.87.30): 
aparimita dhruvas tanu-bhrto yadi sarva-gatas 
tarhi na sasyateti niyamo dhruva netaratha 
ajani ca yan-mayam tad avimucya niyantr bhavet 
samam anujanatam yad amatam mata-dustataya

"O Supreme Eternal! If the embodied living entities were eternal and
all-pervading like You, then they would not be under Your control. But
if the living entities are accepted as minute energies of Your Lordship,
then they are at once subject to Your supreme control. Therefore real
liberation entails surrender by the living entities to Your control, and that
surrender will make them happy. In that constitutional position only can they
be controllers. Therefore, men with limited knowledge who
advocate the monistic theory that God and the living entities are equal in
all respects are actually misleading themselves and others." 
The Supreme Lord Krsna is the only controller, and all living entities
are controlled by Him. These living entities are His superior energy
 because the quality of their existence is one and the same with the
Supreme, but they are never equal to the Lord in quantity of power.
                       While exploiting the gross and subtle inferior energy
(matter), the superior energy (the living entity) forgets his real spiritual
mind and intelligence. This forgetfulness is due to the influence of matter
upon the living entity. But when the living entity becomes free from the
influence of the illusory material energy, he attains the stage called mukti,
or liberation. The false ego, under the influence of material illusion,
thinks, "I am matter, and material acquisitions are mine." His actual position
is realized when he is liberated from all material ideas, including the
conception of his becoming one in all respects with God. Therefore one  may
conclude that the Gita confirms the living entity to be only one of the
multi-energies of Krsna; and when this energy is freed from material
contamination, it becomes fully Krsna conscious, or liberated. 



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